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Mavrik · Feb 20, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I say help them. Guide them around so they understand how the game works. Help is good to get. I could have used more when I started. It took me a while to figure things out. Maybe not running people around and giving them max items will help them. But at the same time the kindness they are shown may help them to become experienced nice people instead of the common selfish stuck up theme.

Konrow · Feb 21, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

well pretty much wat everyone else said. help them but do NOT rush them and give them greens because then it will go to easy and they finish the game quickly with a tone of money. As a person who played since the release i can tell you that it is much more fun to play whne you are taking your time and trying hard to unlock stuff and win. When i made my second character i loaded her with money and nice weaps so i could feel powerful and have, that lasted about an hour and then i realized playing it out the hard way is much better and the newbies shouldn't miss out on the true way of playing the game. to sum it up: tell them how to play, give them tips, maybe even invite them to your guild but never rush them through the game or they'll miss out on a lot of things.

LifeInfusion · Feb 21, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by trankle

There's good help and bad help.

Good help: Helping players understand concepts of the trade system, answering questions about game mechanics, geography, etc.

Bad help: Running new players through missions, or even helping them through, really. Giving them greens, or max weapons of any type. Running players to new locations.

I FULLY concur.

Why? Because if people do not play through the missions and get ran, they have been cheated of the gaming experience their first time around. For the seocnd or thrid time doing missions I could understand (even though I neverget run or help run people through missions) but it is absurd to get run through the missions the first time.

Regardless, helping players understand how the game works is better than giving money or items. I give items but only to people who know what they are doing and actually could use the item. Besides, if you give stuff to people and they do not know what to do with it, what have you accomplished other than wasting the item?

skammich · Feb 21, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by zakaria

i've just make new char. from 2 days ago and i was amazed of how many new players still coming to GW...it makes me happy how still Anet attracting ppl to this wonderful game.
i'm playing GW from 8 months and i'm happy that i know everything in game but what about those new players.should i share my knowledge with them ? or let them get their experience by the time ?
should i have give some green items for them or high eneded weapons for free or not ?
should we help them in missions and quests until they can count on themselves alone after that ? or we ruining the taste of adventure or the difficulty of it ?!

being a fairly new player myself (played for a few months, quit for a few more months, playing again) and after getting my first character through ascension, I would say let them experience it themselves, it doesn't take long to realize you can get other people to run you through stuff. so if they want to experience the game then they will avoid being run around.

zakaria · Feb 21, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Agreed, although sometimes it's hard to determine if they're actually a new player (as in never played before) or simply have a low level character and acting new in order to get free goodies from other good-hearted players. With a little discussion, it may become clear, but if they're an experienced scammer..........

many of the new players now are from the exodus of WOW and other games so they know how to deal little with GW and they understand very fast all the tips that i can give.
the problem is (in EU servers) new players seeing exp players spamming the chat of running them to yak and other cities now they start to act like them
i saw yesterday warrior lvl 12 (new player) in Ascalon offering his services to run ppl for 100 gp,i asked him why you do that he told me i saw many do this so i thought i can get good money from doing this.Now new players players thinking that running others is like a job in GW..thanks to you old runners
wait until they learn how to scam others

Mimi Miyagi · Feb 21, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I was in mineral spring earlier today. One of the people in the party (for skill capping) was a necro/ele.

Now, a necro in mineral spring would be great. Wells. Minions. Whatever, they are a handy profession to have up there.

But this guy said he was an ele. Fire ele.

To top it off, as we're going along, he's casting firestorm, which is pissing me off to no end. As a REAL elementalist, having mobs scatter willy nilly isn't the best thing to happen for my spells.

So, I ask him nicely to stop using firestorm. He doesn't reply.

After seeing my echoed meteor storms both get wasted because the mobs I targets scattered due to yet another firestorm, I told him to friggin quit with the firestorms. Well, not in that nice of language.

He quits the party. I was actually relieved.

Necros kick ass. I have one. I love them. I love doing MM stuff, having a mini army with me wherever I go kicks ass. SS rocks. Wells rock. Blood ritual and other energy boosting spells are much appreciated by casters. WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD YOU BE A NECRO YET IGNORE NECRO SKILLS TO BE AN ELE? And an irritating, worthless, ignorant ele at that?

I love helping new players, but at some point in the game, they are no longer noobs and should be expected to know BASIC gameplay mechanics. If you're in mineral springs, you should know better.

Lady Lozza · Feb 21, 2006, 09:23 AM // 09:23

lol! There are only a couple of class combos that can do the "I'm using my full 2ndary" stuff. N/E isn't one of those combos. I remember doing Frost Gate with my mesmer a little while back (1 maybe 2 months). Anyhow there was a lvl6 R/Mo who said he was a good monk. I still to this day don't know why the group leader accepted him. I still to this day don't know how we survived the mission. He had 2 skills: Orison of healing and mending. He didn't even have a proper res.

Mimi Miyagi · Feb 21, 2006, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

lol! There are only a couple of class combos that can do the "I'm using my full 2ndary" stuff. N/E isn't one of those combos. I remember doing Frost Gate with my mesmer a little while back (1 maybe 2 months). Anyhow there was a lvl6 R/Mo who said he was a good monk. I still to this day don't know why the group leader accepted him. I still to this day don't know how we survived the mission. He had 2 skills: Orison of healing and mending. He didn't even have a proper res.

Lol! OK, you win, that is more pathetic than my story!

Almost as good as the wammos claiming they can be monks. I've seen that before too.

Caged Fury · Feb 21, 2006, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

If you're in mineral springs, you should know better.

Not if they got ran all the way up there.

I was in Granite Citadel not so long ago. Just returned from capping SoJ and Ineptitude for my Me/Mo, and seeing if there were any IDS. Was telling an IDS farming group that the drops were crap and the best thing was getting my elite skills. Suddenly a monk joined the conversation, asking me to help him cap SoJ because he tried for 2hrs and couldn't get to Mineral Springs. He desperately needed SoJ to go farming. I laughed and walked away when I found out he was just Level 9. I'm sorry, but if someone can't be bothered to play the game and just want to rush through things to get a farming build then I can't be bothered to help.

Numa Pompilius · Feb 21, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by zakaria

many of the new players now are from the exodus of WOW

Ahaaa... So that's why the chat is down the toilet (more or less literally) on the EU servers. I was wondering what had happened.

KurtTheBehemoth · Feb 21, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

I believe that is what everyone is trying to quote in this post.

coolsti · Feb 21, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Should you help people as a higher level? No, in my opinion not unless they really asked you for help. If you hand it to them on a platter without them really asking for it, you are ruining the game and the challenge for them.

Should you refuse to help someone asking for help? In my opinion it is up to you. I wouldn't unless the player seemed really nice and really desperate. The player that asks for help is only hurting his/her overall pleasure in the game, and that is the decision of that player. It takes discipline to say no to all the many offers of being run, to all the offers of having missions be run, and to all the offers of high level weapons for sale, and if a player doesn't have that discipline, well, his/her loss.

One thing that makes me cringe are players asking for money handouts, like 100g to 300g. I don't care for arguments so I don't say anything, but what I really would like to shout out is for them to grab some henchies, go outside the door, and farm for a half hour or whatever it takes to get that money.

The best you can help new players with is to teach them teamwork, strategy, and give them an appreciation for how much fun this game can be in a party of fun and team-spirited human players.

Cador · Feb 21, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

That hurt, I for one am a runner and i will only run people on my route(ascalon-yaks-Beacons-LA-Bergen-ToA-Henge-Desert) if they have one other character who has beaten the game. No ifs, ands, or buts if they do not have a level 20 but still have the money to pay for it(which i find hard to believe) then i have to say bravo you fooled this old runner :P.

Runners like myself and like other runners help people who have a 20 so they dont have to go through the monotony of playing the same missions over and over and over again.

This all being said there is a big difference between a responsible runner, a person who like i do while running explains all teh drawbacks and advantages to running, i usually explain drawbacks first, then even further explains that all though it is a well paying job it should not be your only source of income there are other things to do and other ways to have fun in the game. Finally the responsible runner has a code of ethics mine are as follow,

-Never scam a client
-Assume everyones honest and will pay at appointed time
-Depending on run NEVER take a persons primary character if its not high enough to fend for itself in that area
- Try to dissuade unhonourable behavior on your run.
-NEVER EVER call one of your clients or any other runner a noob due to prices they charge or amout of money that player has(although it is annoying when someone joins for a run and doenst have enough money.

That is my code i follow it as best i can, if i see a fellow runner who is charging VERY low prices i will whisper him and ask him why he is lowering his prices etc etc, if he truly didnt know and i correct it for him he is usually happy other times i get this response when asking why he dropped his price so low "fcuk off you n00b i run for what i want when i want"

Well anyways thats just what i think.

Maxiemonster · Feb 21, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

What help is the best? Healing or Protection Monk help (unless you're helping a Monk, of course)!

Many people think these Monks suck at helping, and you know why? Because they don't one hit kill everything in their way. Exactly, they don't. But why is that a bad thing? At least the others learn how to attack, which all non-Monks are there for. You just heal them, which is normally easy at non-experienced players anyway, and they do their thing. Warriors just do all the work, and the people they're helping aren't doing anything at all, so they won't learn anything.

Okay.. That's enough for praising the coolest proffesion in GW.

fiery · Feb 21, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Help when you can, but I hate those in forge saying " can i have 200 gold for my last piece of drok armor" and i'm like ok i'll give you the 200 gold. Than we have some guy saying " can i have 3k for my last piece of drok armor" my response is " go farm" " if you can afford a run to forge you can afford your own armor".

Theres totally new people to the game and those begging to get there own items to be paid for.

Sents · Feb 22, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Why is giving a newb a low req max weapon ruining the game for them? I do it all the time,I ask for guildless newbs who want weapons for free, and I gve them greens, rares whatever I feel like. Ive never had one come back at me later and say, Thanks for nothing jerk, you ruined the game for me ? When I first started, someone did the same thing for me, and I used the particular staff right up to the FoW. I dont run, and I advise newb players against it. But ruining the game by giving them a low req. max weapon, give me a break.

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Originally Posted by Coolsti

Should you refuse to help someone asking for help? In my opinion it is up to you. I wouldn't unless the player seemed really nice and really desperate. The player that asks for help is only hurting his/her overall pleasure in the game.

Holey cow, lighten up. How the hell are some people supposed to learn. Not everyone has 4-8 hrs a day to dedicate to 'learning; the right way.(lol) What an elitist snob attitude. If you ask for help you suck....think about that statement. I was once told by a wise old man, the only stupid question, is the one you did not ask, whatever the reason.

coolsti · Feb 22, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by Sents

Why is giving a newb a low req max weapon ruining the game for them? I do it all the time,I ask for guildless newbs who want weapons for free, and I gve them greens, rares whatever I feel like. Ive never had one come back at me later and say, Thanks for nothing jerk, you ruined the game for me ? When I first started, someone did the same thing for me, and I used the particular staff right up to the FoW. I dont run, and I advise newb players against it. But ruining the game by giving them a low req. max weapon, give me a break.

Holey cow, lighten up. How the hell are some people supposed to learn. Not everyone has 4-8 hrs a day to dedicate to 'learning; the right way.(lol) What an elitist snob attitude. If you ask for help you suck....think about that statement. I was once told by a wise old man, the only stupid question, is the one you did not ask, whatever the reason.

Well, you aren't maybe one of the brighter ones among us, Sents, that realizes that the greatest pleasure is obtained when you figure out how to do something yourself, and not get things handed to you to make it easier. Why make the game easier and less challenging? To get through it faster? Then why play it?

Read my lips (read my post) I did not say that one should NOT help another player, I said that one should not offer help unless the player was truely desperate. Lighten up? Who, me?

I'm thinking of a post I read in the "greatest jerk" thread, about a long time player who helped a newby buddy by giving his first character money and weapons, and then running and power leveling him through the game. In short time, that buddy was up to the same level including same green weapons as his long term playing friend. Was that good for the newby or not? You decide for yourself, apparently we have very different opinions on this.

CorstedPirate · Feb 22, 2006, 07:49 AM // 07:49

New players shouldn't get runs. It makes them bad players in the harder areas. It makes them players that want to get run everywhere and not work for anything. All of the advertising for runs makes new people think that it is a perfectly natural part of the game. I joined a run to droks with my first character because I thought it was part of the normal game play. I was playing through the game with no help up until that point. So, when I didn't have enough money for droks armor I went back to beacons and continued on. I got to the desert on my own before I decided to go back and get droks armor. It took me quite a while to finish all the desert missions, and by that time I had gotten to THK with just henchmen anyways. I ran myself all over the place around the southern shiverpeaks. I have only ever had 2 runs, both of which were to droks. I haven't had a whole lot of help figuring this game out. I have done it on my own for the most part. Which is why it has taken me so long. I only just recently found Deldrimor Warcamp, and I did it with henchmen.

Sents · Feb 23, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Well, you aren't maybe one of the brighter ones among us, Sents, that realizes that the greatest pleasure is obtained when you figure out how to do something yourself, and not get things handed to you to make it easier. Why make the game easier and less challenging? To get through it faster? Then why play it?

I could respond to that in a number of different ways. Why bother, like you said we obviously have very different opinions.

m30wc0w · Feb 23, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by coolsti

Well, you aren't maybe one of the brighter ones among us, Sents, that realizes that the greatest pleasure is obtained when you figure out how to do something yourself, and not get things handed to you to make it easier. Why make the game easier and less challenging? To get through it faster? Then why play it?

Read my lips (read my post) I did not say that one should NOT help another player, I said that one should not offer help unless the player was truely desperate. Lighten up? Who, me?

I'm thinking of a post I read in the "greatest jerk" thread, about a long time player who helped a newby buddy by giving his first character money and weapons, and then running and power leveling him through the game. In short time, that buddy was up to the same level including same green weapons as his long term playing friend. Was that good for the newby or not? You decide for yourself, apparently we have very different opinions on this.

Have you ever had someone help you? Seriously when I first started playing a guy my level was with me and we pwned some Mergoyles outside Ascalon. I learned some stuff and I had a great time. Should I have just threw that away? Not learn anything? Become another guy who thinks they can do anything themself?